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Loose Ctrl
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Some compressors can be rewired for 220v. I don't know if that one can. That's a pretty big head and motor.
Many motors can be wired for different voltages, but 3-Phase is 3-phase.
Close-ups of the ID tags would help people.
Tylermorris
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I asked for more pictures when I messaged him, I’ll update when I learn more
Sorry, thought it was your compressor.
I'm not shopping (on wife's orders, and no three phase), juts trying to help others.
dwall174
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I recently rebuilt this older (1987) Craftsman!
Not really sure of the model# since the cover/shroud was damaged & no other labels were on the compressor. My best guess based on casting numbers is model# 919.156651
It's rated as a 5HP. 30Gal. compressor, But based on the motors Id. plate (13.8 amps at 240 volts) It's probably more like a 2-1/2hp. motor.
Not as "Vintage" as others shown here, But it fits in pretty good with some of my other Vintage machines. I think the dark gray paint & the old Craftsman label I had on hand add to the older vintage look.
Doug
Not really sure of the model# since the cover/shroud was damaged & no other labels were on the compressor. My best guess based on casting numbers is model# 919.156651
It's rated as a 5HP. 30Gal. compressor, But based on the motors Id. plate (13.8 amps at 240 volts) It's probably more like a 2-1/2hp. motor.
Not as "Vintage" as others shown here, But it fits in pretty good with some of my other Vintage machines. I think the dark gray paint & the old Craftsman label I had on hand add to the older vintage look.
Doug
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Loose Ctrl
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You need to study up on electricity. Three phase motors can be converted to run on 220v using a VFD. I haven't done it. I have replaced 3 phase motors with 220v motors and added a lot of capacitors to help get the motor running without tripping a breaker.
https://www.precision-elec.com/how-to-run-a-3-phase-motor-on-single-phase-power/
Yes you can use a VFD, an idling 3-phase motor, or other external device to create 3 phase power for the motor. (The motor still requires 3-phase power)
Yes, you can build a motor-starter to use the extra phase windings as starter windings, and get the motor to run.
It will produce between 1/3 and 1/2 rated HP, and when loaded with want to run a bit hot.
It will also have relatively low starting torque and these two factors together make it unsuitable for compressor duty.
Loose Ctrl
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dkmc
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Actually, 3 phase motors can be run with a 1ph input - 3ph output Inverter.
No 'converting' to it or needed. I know who needs to study up.
Yes, I described that as an idling 3-phase motor as one of the ways to run a 3-phase motor off single phase. (I think these are called "Rotary Phase Converters")
Oregon rock crusher
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MacMcMacmac
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This is a Curtis Masterline and one of the best compressors made. I'm not sure of the exact model, D96 maybe?
Any machine, no matter the quality, can be **** if abused or neglected, but when new it was definitely one of the top-tier machines, right up there with a Quincy QR-25, LeRoi, (old) DeVilbiss, (old) IR Type 30, Champion, Gardner Denver etc...
Do you have the power to run this? Looks like a 10hp setup at least.
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MacMcMacmac
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Hello, new friends. I finally found a compressor that will outlive me... BUT...It took so long to find one (I could afford) so it won't be much of a chore to outlive this old man
I'm done buying a new one every 2 years. Damn high-speed loud annoying timebombs...
But now that I have what I want I'm also gifted with a bunch of new hurdles to jump. Living on the belief
"THE MORE YOU PUT INTO IT THE MORE YOU GET IN RETURN" Well, this worked with my Dog and my wife...
1st was unloading it off the trailer as we had a tractor at the pickup site. I drove to Marietta Oklahoma from Houston Tx to get her. She is heavy and was that ugly old light blue the Houston Oilers seemed to like in the '70s
So I had to sand and paint ASAP to make her look as good as she "WILL WORK" he said knowingly. I also replaced the gauge with a nice oil filled one and bought a few new connectors and ball valves to install.
The motor and THE POWER it consumes:I was told that the motor would run on 110 or 220. Simple enuff... or so I thought. I was able to find the wiring info on the info plate. as you can see below. in pic 2 I think. SO ya know... I'm well into my 50's jack of all as they say mostly 99 percent self-taught which means "I don't know %$@#" but I get by... much better now that I can hide in closet and look up a 9 yr old kid on youtube that can teach me anything how to fix computers to How to pass level 108 of ZELDA Conquers SLIMVILLIA ( these kids are so smart nowadays I just don't understand why they're so damn ignorant)
I had always thought you had to have a + and - for Anything to work but as I learned with this 4 wire motor just a 120 leg off each phase and it works... I'm still gonna study this theory until it sinks in... e motor is PRE 52Im told it was or is called "the Original frame" Rerated "U" frame in 52 then again in 64 to a "T" frame My Motor guy said they Use "T" frames currently WHATEVERALL THAT MEANS>>>>lol
I think he said it was a 224 frame and one of the rarest due to age... yaba daba doo...
We do know its a WAGNER and we do Know it's very HEAVY. Since it was cut loose on pickup and I was told it was on 110 I plugged it in and she ran fine but weakened around 50 PSI so I unplugged her and started reading...
THE TANK1984 Manchester 200 PSI
HOLDS air and NO RUST
NEXT... Unless I need to be told there is more to it
The V-TWIN Compressor
Boy, I hope this is a good one. So far she pumps air and it holds but I know less about it than I do the old motor ( NOTMUCH)
It has a D inside a circle. I ed up all the companies that start D that I can find that builds compressors to no avail but I want to say... Ingersoll Rand for some reason...
If you of this compressor or have any general knowledge that will help me from BLOWING IT OR MYSELF UP please chime in I can use the help. I have found ZERO 9yrs old kids on youtube with that knows anything about this old beauty. Once I have her all shed and ready I plan to build a newly insulated home a nice positive airflow and start running pipe to every room on the property. My wife overheard this statement and ask EVERY ROOM? She's blonde and I love her...So I replied... Well, ya never know when ya might need 200 PSI in the bathroom. She said.... WELL? O.K. with a confused expression and said " please use a nice faceplate"
This is a Schulz pump that is still being manufactured. I don't know if 2hp is enough for that pump, but I highly doubt you are going to get it to work adequately at all on 110V. I for one would not want anything in my house pulling 24A on a 110V line.
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dwall174
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Looks a lot like a little Champion compressor I rebuilt & reconfigured to fit under a scroll saw. It worked pretty good for keeping the sawdust clear of the cut line.
I ended up selling the scroll saw, But I kept the little Champion compressor.
Doug
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Oregon rock crusher
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That little Champion sure looks nice Doug. Better than new. More than adequate for blowing saw dust I'd think. My little DeVilbiss came with a small spray gun in the box with it so I assume that it worked for light spraying duty. I need to find a couple fittings and test it out. Ed.
dwall174
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Being I sold the scroll saw & I don't have any use for a small air compressor I disassembled it & used some of the parts for another compressor.
The Champion pump head uses poppet style or often called heck-valves:
These valves work like a check valve so I connected the pump up backwards & ran it as a vacuum pump, It works really good as a vacuum pump.
I'm probably going to set it up like some others I've seen on Joe Woodworker
Here's a parts drawing of the Champion:
Ed. your little DeVilbiss may be made pretty much like the Champion?
Doug
Tylermorris
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Got some more info on this compressor, yes it is a Curtis, 15hp 3phase 200 gallon. Don’t think I have 3 phase power in my area, still kinda want to buy it
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May Pop
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Power it with a 5 or 7.5 single phase, 1725 rpm motor. Change out the drive pulley for a smaller one and you will have a great compressor cheap.
MacMcMacmac
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If you don't have the power for it it will just be yard art, unless you find a use for the tank. There's a reason these big machines don't command much money.
That pump is 480lbs by itself, so moving it won't be a trivial matter either.
At the minimum 400rpm that pump will be moving 33cfm of free air which is probably at or over the limit of what a 7.5hp motor will do, even taking in pumping losses. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but a 7.5hp single phase motor isn't cheap unless you can horse trade. Then you have to figure out if the starter can handle the amps at the lower voltage, and if you can supply that from your service. It adds up pretty quickly.
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Tylermorris
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I figured it was heavy, but that’s excessive. The guy who has it, has a forklift to load it but I would have to take it apart to unload. As far as the motor, I work at a lumber mill so there’s piles of electric motors, just have to see how big I can get at single or 2 phase.
redmondjp
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It is hard to say, but it sounds like a frankencompressor, so who knows what kind of control it has on it - as I'm sure you know, the IC engine-powered units typically use an unloader or in some cases an engine throttle control when the pressure reaches the setpoint.
Loose Ctrl
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Just picked up a gardner denver adk-1001 and was wondering if anyone has any information on it. I am missing the oil dipstick and was wondering if anyone had one that could measure one for me. Also is this thing worth fixing up. I dont have much in it right now and one of the castings has a hole in it that was repaired that i would prefer to be welded.
Rschott09
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New member here. Anyways I picked up this compressor pump last night but I'm not having much luck finding any information on it. I want to put it back in service. I'm hoping somone on here can help me out.
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428kidd
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I would not worry as much about the brand on the tank. Get close ups of the identifying parts of the pump and motor.
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redmondjp
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I have never heard of that brand, but just judging from the size of the pistons, it probably only flows 3-4 SCFM. It is a two-stage pump however so it should get up to 150-175psi.
I doubt that you can still get any parts at all for it, so if it still rotates and seems to pump, I'd put some fresh compressor oil into it and see what happens when you run it. If you just need something to pump up tires and use for short periods of time it will be fine - it will not handle any continuous-use air tool such as a sander or die grinder, other than for very short periods (dependent upon how big of a tank you use with it).
Movin/on
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Took a look at the C.A.S.E web site and they currently produce compressor equipment for breathing apparatus. (ie.. recharging Fire fighter breathing tanks)
Richard >>> Movin/on
Richard >>> Movin/on
428kidd
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Richard I called C.A.S.E , that exists today. They do not nor never did make this type of compressor. The make high pressure stuff only. Here's the thing. I am looking to buy this for my shop. I do body work , but not a lot at home. He wants a grand for it ,not sure what to offer him. Or if I should just pass. Thanks guys for the info, and keep it coming . Oh and owner says it should pump 30 cfm , is that accurate?
Realized I never posted this Binks branded 216 ROC19 here. Picked up for $40 last year, had to redo a bit of the copper line and replace the unloader but I love how quiet it is despite it's relatively low air output. I'll eventually do a rebuild and cosmetic refresh along with a 3HP motor and pulley change to get the ~10CFM it's rated for.
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Rschott09
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It's actually bigger than the pictures make it look. The dang thing weights over 100 pounds. Turning it by hand it seems to move a lot of air.
redmondjp
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Well good - if that's the case, you'll probably want at least a 5HP motor to run that pump. The round chamber at the end of the pump is a centrifugal unloader which bleeds off the discharge pressure until the speed increases. It can get gummed up and stick, but it should be pretty straightforward to fix if it needs it.
Rschott09
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Thanks for the information. Any clue how many rpms I should be shooting for?
redmondjp
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That depends upon the specifications for the pump which, you may be able to calculate based upon the bore and stroke of the cylinders. Minimum RPM is typically 400RPM and max speed is likely 800-900. It will take more HP to run if it is spun faster, and also as the pressure increases.
If you can measure the approximate bore and stroke of the pistons, you can compare the sizes to other 2-stage pumps from other manufacturers, and match it up to one and then use the specifications from that pump to determine your speed and motor pulley size.