Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT 3rd time's a charm with a 3 car workshop

[loganb]

Logan, I did PLC automated dust collection several years ago. There's a thread about it on SMC and it's in my shop thread about page 23. PLC's can be had for next to nothing now days. The current sensors are inputs to the PLC and the air solenoid is the out put. My dust collection only has a power on switch to enable the system, and I repurposed the remote control to be cyclone power off. Cyclone powers on as one would expect and only turns off my the remote or turning off the control power. It has been 100% reliable. I use it daily. You're on the right track. Happy to share what I've learned if you can use it.

Thanks for dropping in Steven! Ironic...as this is what's been up on one of my monitors for the last couple days:



The more I play with this, the more PLC control on this will happen. I've done ladder logic before, just on AB stuff and this looks easier then that. I've already got the inputs and outputs as you pointed out, and making it PLC driven allows me to trigger the dust collector to start as well then I only need the remote pendant to turn it off. That could even be tied in with a sensor on the lighting circuit so that it shuts off after a specified delay of lights being turned off

I'd actually bookmarked your thread on SMC without realizing it was yours, I hadn't made it very far thru it but thank you for dropping that link! I'm leaning towards current sensors installed in the main panel which is easy with the main tools right now all being 240v and on dedicated circuits. Router table, jointer and eventually CNC are all 120v and not on dedicated circuits so would have to do something slightly different there....probably just making them dedicated circuits. Doing this all with PLC will just make it easier to adjust and scale, as well as make it very easy and "transparent" as you called it to just use the tool naturally and the dust collection just works without any additional thought by the user.

 

[loganb]

Looks like its time to get serious on selling the Prusa:

 

[loganb]

Little rearranging of lumber and this is cleaned up a bit and more lumber up on racks then was before



Still need to deal with the shorts...but a step in the right direction

 

[slodat]

Thanks for dropping in Steven! Ironic...as this is what's been up on one of my monitors for the last couple days:



The more I play with this, the more PLC control on this will happen. I've done ladder logic before, just on AB stuff and this looks easier then that. I've already got the inputs and outputs as you pointed out, and making it PLC driven allows me to trigger the dust collector to start as well then I only need the remote pendant to turn it off. That could even be tied in with a sensor on the lighting circuit so that it shuts off after a specified delay of lights being turned off

I'd actually bookmarked your thread on SMC without realizing it was yours, I hadn't made it very far thru it but thank you for dropping that link! I'm leaning towards current sensors installed in the main panel which is easy with the main tools right now all being 240v and on dedicated circuits. Router table, jointer and eventually CNC are all 120v and not on dedicated circuits so would have to do something slightly different there....probably just making them dedicated circuits. Doing this all with PLC will just make it easier to adjust and scale, as well as make it very easy and "transparent" as you called it to just use the tool naturally and the dust collection just works without any additional thought by the user.

I used two pole switches on my routers (and any other 120v machines). The second pole switches the PLC input for that machine. No need for the current sensor.

Like I said, this system has been 100% reliable. It just works.

 

[loganb]

Attempting to do some blast gate fine tuning

Modeled up some templates to cut foam for a gasket with. Split it diagonal for better material usage



Some arts and crafts time cutting out the gasket from some adhesive backed 1/8" foam. Inside radius didnt cut great but should be good enough to reduce leakage past the slide




The thickness of the gasket makes shimming the halves of the gate apart a bit required so trying some printed shims instead of washers. Revision 1 is on the printer right now

 

[Greenlawnracing]

Looks like its time to get serious on selling the Prusa:

I can bring a Busch Light, a chicken nugget, and all the cash in Doey’s piggy bank in two weeks….

 

[Boostingaz]

I can bring a Busch Light, a chicken nugget, and all the cash in Doey’s piggy bank in two weeks….

(Sitting on the coffee table as we speak)

Did someone say a Busch Latte? That's like my bat signal, I'm here

 

[loganb]

I can bring a Busch Light, a chicken nugget, and all the cash in Doey’s piggy bank in two weeks….

Well if Doey stocks her piggy bank like mine does...which is by grabbing coins of the night stands in Mom & Dad's room....make sure she raids your wife's nightstand. You've probably spent all your spare change on more bike parts

(Sitting on the coffee table as we speak)

Did someone say a Busch Latte? That's like my bat signal, I'm here

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Well played! @Greenlawnracing is unaware the bliss that 'Latte's bring on a hot night....though I do give him a bit (just a bit) of grace for it since he can probably ride his bike faster then I can drive somedays and he's trying to stay in cycling shape.

 

[Greenlawnracing]

out of curiosity, I googled it.


Busch is 95 calories and 4.1% ABV


No way man. I’ll stick go by Bud 55

 

[loganb]

out of curiosity, I googled it.


Busch is 95 calories and 4.1% ABV


No way man. I’ll stick go by Bud 55

Just for you....

 

[Boostingaz]

@loganb

Do you get the "for the famers" cans that look like corn, or the John Deere cans in your area? Those are my favorite haha

 

[loganb]

@loganb

Do you get the "for the famers" cans that look like corn, or the John Deere cans in your area? Those are my favorite haha

Yup, we've got the corn and Deere cans, I normally pick them up but this was the last of a 12 pack I got for drilling 9 holes in some steel plate. Also have the new(a year or two ago) Peach flavor...which for 2 or so beers I actually like...more then that and it's too sweet for me

Made some progress getting things restored-ish. Still have some work to do, but it's at least usable again and if I get lunch hour for work in there I'll try and make the boss lady happy by getting it to where she can park inside again

 

[Boostingaz]

I've been wanting to get the peach. I almost grabbed a box for 4th of July and then got too scared so went regular hahaha.

 

[Boostingaz]

@loganb

(In my best Austrian accent)

Here we find the not so elusive, actually quite bountiful in these parts, Busch Latte in its natural habitat. Hot as the Sahara desert climate and pool side. Let's sneak in and watch as she gracefully grazes on the beautiful green fake grass.

 

[loganb]

Well looks like at least 1 Prime Day deal will make it's way into my shopping cart:




The installer who put the doors in also said to use the Genie over Liftmaster and it's $200 cheaper...so looks like what I'll be going with.

Also looks like the oil I normally get is the cheapest I've seen in awhile so a couple of these probably get added for the wife's ride which takes 7 or 8 quarts





What "Can't Pass Up" or "Why the hell not?" deals on this made up summer shopping day are you getting?

 

[OutlawDrifter]

That's an awesome deal on Castrol Edge! That's what I run in everything but the Suburban (Rotella T6).

 

[loganb]

That's an awesome deal on Castrol Edge! That's what I run in everything but the Suburban (Rotella T6).

What I thought as well...under $25/5 quarts is hard for me to pass by....Amazon algo popped it up on the home page making sure I knew it was for sale...might as well just put it in the cart as well

 

[Boostingaz]

Now I gotta look at Amazon and see what they tell me I can't live without

 

[slodat]

Curious about the garage door opener recommendation.. Did he elaborate?

 

[loganb]

Curious about the garage door opener recommendation.. Did he elaborate?

Noting solid, but both the salesman who is a self proclaimed Liftmaster fanboy and the installer said over the past 3-ish years they've had lower issue rate with Genie side mount than the Liftmaster 8500 in this type of application. Weren't able to say if the Genie (which was released in 2020 per press release below) is just lower issue rate or if the Liftmaster rate of calls had gone up over time. Liftmaster recently released an updated model of the 8500(now called the 98022) which got rid of the external cable tension monitor, so unsure if the variation in install location/setting of that may have caused some issues???

The Genie Company Launches All-New Wall Mount Garage Door Openers

The Genie Company Launches new Wall Mount Garage Door Openers, eliminating ceiling clutter. See it at International Builder Show Central Hall C8545.

www.businesswire.com

This was from the likely largest dealer/installer of garage doors in the Omaha metro, so although it was only 2 people I'm assuming it's discussed in their teams and hopefully sales and service are actually talking to each other....may be misplaced faith. Fair to note that the issue rate of the Liftmaster wasn't sufficient for them to stop carrying it or actively recommend away, just that it's no longer the solution they lead with if customer is brand agnostic.

This model I got has their Aladdin connect which is the wifi connected part which was a requirement for me. I've got the aftermarket MyQ setup from Chamberlin/Liftmaster on the double door and not super impressed with it's reliability. It does well closing, but has probably a 50% success rate when I want to open the door from my phone.

I didn't care about the battery backup and wasn't planning on getting it with it....but it was the model on sale. The battery backup just isn't valuable to me in a stall I don't park cars in, but the option is now a requirement in some states(CA) so it's becoming cheaper or just the default now

 

[loganb]

Daddy daycare today as the 5 yr old is home sick with strep throat. Good news is it's strep which is easy to treat and she'll be feeling better by lunch time. Bad news is the odds that nobody else gets it is low....

Some progress on the blast gate. Took the original cylinder mount file and redrew it and added a leg for a pair of heat set inserts to attach the solenoid to. Couple revisions to get to this point but this should be viable to get the solenoid assembled and give things a try

 

[OutlawDrifter]

Strep is no fun, hope it leaves your house soon!

 

[loganb]

Now to get a test bench setup.... May take the little air compressor to my office and do it there as I have no decent personal laptops....

 

[Atlascycle]

Now to get a test bench setup.... May take the little air compressor to my office and do it there as I have no decent personal laptops....

you went all out with the remote IO, those Click's are pretty easy to program.

Jason

 

[loganb]

you went all out with the remote IO, those Click's are pretty easy to program.

Jason

Good as I'm rather rusty! Last new program I wrote was in college, since then just troubleshooting support all on AB units. Got the software downloaded and it seems pretty straight forward.

Haven't made a ton of progress on other stuff recently...

Spending too much time and glue to fix a cheap kids puzzle



Didn't realize how weak the 10-32 air fittings were on these cylinders... Got a little over zealous and couldn't get the broken end back out. Fortunately it's not an expensive cylinder and I will be more careful on the rest



Weekend trip to see some family and rode on one of those new fangled electric vehicles everyone is talking about. Honestly.... Underwhelmed.... Only did about 6 mph, noisy... No air conditioning lol



Trying to get back to projects... Have the wall manifolds to assemble for the air lines



Of course couldn't find my teflon tape, so next steps there will be tomorrow

 

[loganb]

Another project showed up...



Think it goes on a shelf until the new panels are here and installed to replace the wrong design currently installed. Plus it gives me more time to break down and hire the installer to put it in as a side job

Got a couple of the manifolds put together, Teflon tape plus Rectorseal 5 pipe dope



Still need to get couplers for them, and I think one more quarter turn valve for the drip leg drain

 

[Swanny1953]

Logan, if you don't already have it, I think you'll really like the RapidAir system (recognized the manifolds). I have it running all through the garage and find it works very well for my needs.

 

[RickP]

^^^+1
A RapidAir kit made it easy for me to run a tube through the wall and connect my garage compressor to a basement shop. My only complaint is the half-inch tube is a bit undersized. It looks like you got the larger diameter tube kit, and it will probably serve you very well.

 

[loganb]

Some minor blast gate updates!

After @slodat suggested looking at Automation Direct where I got the PLC for pneumatics, I found out that they have a very extensive and easy to generate CAD files in one of the largest variety of file types I've seen....



It's especially exciting as they have Alibre files which make it easier to manipulate vs importing a .stp file

I went ahead and moved to the pneumatic cylinders from Automation Direct...updated the model a bit to fine tune the mounting




Think it's v5 above and v6 with the cylinder in it....as of now I think v6 is final as the cylinder fit is very nice. Would've preferred that fitting by the rod end to be a 90 degree for easier cable mangt...but those were backordered 8 weeks...so straight out they are




Printed in Bambu brand Matte PLA...v5 printed nicer than 6 though settings were almost the same....may have had the door open on v5 and it was closed on 6 which at times can impact PLA

 

[madison069]

Well Logan, you influenced me to order oil during the Amazon prime day and I got 6 jugs of oil for $6 cheaper then regular price per jug. Now looking at your printed parts for the blast gate is making me want to jump off track to order a 3D printer. Nope nope, I need to stay the course and organize what I got already!!! But open a spot for the new 3D printer in the future at the same time....

 

[loganb]

Logan, if you don't already have it, I think you'll really like the RapidAir system (recognized the manifolds). I have it running all through the garage and find it works very well for my needs.

^^^+1
A RapidAir kit made it easy for me to run a tube through the wall and connect my garage compressor to a basement shop. My only complaint is the half-inch tube is a bit undersized. It looks like you got the larger diameter tube kit, and it will probably serve you very well.

I ultimately did go with the 1/2" kit....debating between it and the 3/4" is what took so long to pull the trigger. Final decision was that I don't use air that much today(assuming if it's handy I'd use it more) and when I use it today it's with air hoses with a smaller ID than the pipe here...so I shouldn't be introducing a new restriction. If I was doing heavy impact wrench usage or just higher air usage in general I'd probably have gone for the bigger kit....but with a 5 cfm compressor I eventually talked myself out of overkill for the sake of overkill.

Well Logan, you influenced me to order oil during the Amazon prime day and I got 6 jugs of oil for $6 cheaper then regular price per jug. Now looking at your printed parts for the blast gate is making me want to jump off track to order a 3D printer. Nope nope, I need to stay the course and organize what I got already!!! But open a spot for the new 3D printer in the future at the same time....

Big fan of the printer(obviously)....you've got enough fires going now but I think you've also got enough space to find a nice spot for one. Lots of options out there....right now my vote would be for a Bambu! Hoping to get my Voron and Prusa sold in the next couple weeks then will be doing some printer rearrangement and moving my enclosed P1S to my office (taking the spot where the voron sits) and setting up the A1 in the basement.

 

[loganb]

So trying to make some progress... Hooked up some airlines cause it makes it look more complete....and really don't like the rod end not coming out at a 90... Will find fittings that aren't an 8 week backorder to fix that



Have some thoughts for tubing mangt too... Eventually

Switched gears to air lines.....less dust on tablesaw is way better... Still more work to do but it's a huge improvement



Making some mounting blocks for the air line wall mainfold



Rounded over the edges with the handheld trim router... Was feeling decent on progress

And then....



Somehow 3 of the containers opened up...1 hadn't been opened in a long time...dirty words were said.... I got it picked up. First time this has happened though so I shouldn't complain... Still annoying as **** and likely my fault

And yes... Those are absolutely safety sandals

But first one up using those now retrieved screws



Look closely....its kinda buried... But think this one just gets a short hose and possibly a connection for the drill press

A hose going down off that drain leg will be installed to get any moisture that drains off from blowing on the conduit


And as I look thru these... Found where I left the M12 cordless driver.... Now to go put it back where it belongs before I forget again

 

[Boostingaz]

No judgment here. I have tan lines from my safety sandals

 

[loganb]

Well this wasn't in the plans for today....but I bought a compressed air dryer....more specific thread can be found here:

Oversizing a compressed air dryer???

Perusing FB marketplace and stumbled across this compressed air dryer: Seller says it works, filter change light is not on but he bought new and never changed it so will need it eventually, light usage in home shop Based on their current sales lit, it appears to be the 40 CFM model: It...

www.garagejournal.com

Now to figure out to use/rehome/resell....

 

[madison069]

I wear crocs in my garage so no shame in the shoes department.

 

[Blackbyrd]

Safety sandles hahahaha


"Cough" I've welded in flip flops..... I can't judge

 

[Bob Heine]

I need to try footwear for welding again.

 

[Blackbyrd]

@Bob Heine I've atleast upgraded from flip flops to hey dudes....

 

[madison069]

@Bob Heine I've atleast upgraded from flip flops to hey dudes....

Hey Dudes are for date night.....

 

[madison069]

Safety sandles hahahaha


"Cough" I've welded in flip flops..... I can't judge

Those get spicy while welding. I actually switch over to some old pull up safety boots for that job. Of course, make sure your pant legs are over the boots, you only make that mistake once.