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Nice Nick! I think you are a few weeks ahead of me on builtins. I ordered the birch ply and its suppose to be delivered on the 21st. And the Woodpeckers MFT square is being delivered tomorrow. And unfortunately I’m currently downloading my update for SolidWorks 2020 so I won’t be able to show any renderings until Tuesday or so. Get back out in the shop and get it done!


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Idk why I had my doubts but I didn't even throw the box away until comparing them :)

I know Makita had some issues with straightness and warping in their earlier tracks, so maybe they changed the design at some point for better quality control.

Metal extrusion is an art, just as much as it is anything else. And I am guessing either the dies were getting towards the end of their life, and it was a good time for some improvements........or they were struggling to hold tolerances and having issues.
 

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Hey Nick,

I came across your Journal thread looking for ideas on how to attach foldable extension wings to my MFT cart...I ended up clicking through all the pages and just registered to say, nice work man! I didn't even know this forum existed though I have followed the Garage Journal youtube for years and actually used his plans to make my MFT cart. Does that guy with the amazing garage run this site?

Anyways, how are you liking the wings you built? Did you have any plans or just wing it (pun intended, haha)? In my googling, I'm not seeing much come up for design inspiration. Love how you're able to set yours up and break down sheet goods...I've been starting on the floor with my track saw until it gets down to a manageable size and would like to eliminate that with a good wing system.


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Nice Nick! I think you are a few weeks ahead of me on builtins. I ordered the birch ply and its suppose to be delivered on the 21st. And the Woodpeckers MFT square is being delivered tomorrow. And unfortunately I’m currently downloading my update for SolidWorks 2020 so I won’t be able to show any renderings until Tuesday or so. Get back out in the shop and get it done!


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Thanks! I might get held up for a bit too, in getting wrapped up in material break down I forgot to order more stuff, so I'm waiting on some maple edge banding to proceed. And would like to have the door tracks and door material in hand before routing any grooves. Hopefully can get back to it soon. Can't wait to see yours!

Hey Nick,

I came across your Journal thread looking for ideas on how to attach foldable extension wings to my MFT cart...I ended up clicking through all the pages and just registered to say, nice work man! I didn't even know this forum existed though I have followed the Garage Journal youtube for years and actually used his plans to make my MFT cart. Does that guy with the amazing garage run this site?

Anyways, how are you liking the wings you built? Did you have any plans or just wing it (pun intended, haha)? In my googling, I'm not seeing much come up for design inspiration. Love how you're able to set yours up and break down sheet goods...I've been starting on the floor with my track saw until it gets down to a manageable size and would like to eliminate that with a good wing system.


Cheers,
Matt

Ha, cool! Thanks Matt and welcome to Garage Journal. Yes, I believe it is run at least in part by Ryan.

I do like the wings. They are not my finest work but do the job. I still need to add stops for the legs and some adjustable feet.

I did not use plans, but I got the idea for the general design and usage from Timothy Wilmots. They are an extension of his "MFTC" cart which you can find pics of and that as well as his extension wings, here.

And also @ 3:00 in his YouTube video here.

I believe he used to sell plans, but I know he quit woodworking a few years ago and not sure if he still tends to that side of his business.

What I really like about the design is the ability to combine two on the long side of the cart/bench for full sheet support, or one on each side of the short side of the cart bench for long cross cuts. Almost like a miter station.

Another idea I've had is to put some T-Tracks on the walls around my garage and be able to quickly fasten an extra work surface here and there when not being used with the MFT.

Timothy was a huge inspiration for my bench build overall, and even if you don't intend to borrow his ideas I definitely recommend watching his YouTube content, it's fascinating stuff!

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Thanks for the quick response, Nick! I actually had seen Tim's MFTC years ago, but completely forgot about the wing system he incorporated. I follow his Youtube and it's cool that he took over the family farm. Seems like Festool put the idea into production with their mobile workshop contraption, hopefully they kicked Tim a little $.

Are there any other journal threads like yours on here building MFT/Paulk style benches and garage woodshops you'd recommend me checking out?


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Matt
 
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Thanks for the quick response, Nick! I actually had seen Tim's MFTC years ago, but completely forgot about the wing system he incorporated. I follow his Youtube and it's cool that he took over the family farm. Seems like Festool put the idea into production with their mobile workshop contraption, hopefully they kicked Tim a little $.

Are there any other journal threads like yours on here building MFT/Paulk style benches and garage woodshops you'd recommend me checking out?


Cheers,
Matt

I would hope they kicked Tim money since they basically copied his design :lol:

As far as MFT/Paulk style benches, I think overall you might find more of that on YouTube or the Festool Owners Group forum, but one GJ thread in particular comes to mind:

Tiny Tokyo Shop

In the later portion of his thread he has built an exquisite Paulk MFT tracksaw + routing station.

Also if you go back a few pages on mine, I recently highlighted some of my favorite MFT-style builds, mostly in YouTube form.

As far as garage woodshops go, you can't beat Bret's:

bj383ss's Woodshop/Garage Build

Or Unruh's:

Logan's Garage

Some do-it-all garage shops (woodworking + metal) that I think are prerequisite reading on this site for their incredible skill and impeccable presentation:

Tooling (Re)Organization - some MFT-type benches
Mid-Century Moto Mecca Makeover - Festool loyalist

And some of my other personal favorites that often deal with woodworking:

SoCal Sawdust
Woody's Works Garage - page 72 starts some track saw goodness
3rd time's a charm with a 3 car workshop
Denver MCM garage expansion
The **** Shack
Mr. Roboto's Garage Makeover
10x22 Project – ‘Officina di Attrezzi Veloce’


Really the list could go on, but since that's like a year's worth of reading I'm going to stop myself there. :D

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Nick! I hope you had a great Holiday! It has been a bit since I stopped in and you have been busy. Once again, I am so impressed with the way you remember to take pictures. I seem to only remember to take about half of what I should.

That Stanley looks better than new!!
 

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Further, the new 55" extrusion does not match the old one I had! I *think* the part the saw actually rides along is the same tolerances, but there are other features of the track that are definitely slightly different. Makita must have changed it's tooling or manufacturing some how. The aluminum is also a *slightly* different color/sheen. I don't think it will have huge impact on accuracy, at least I hope not, but it is disappointing all the same. These tracks are not cheap. They should be identical.


I have rails that were ordered the same day and are slightly different. Actually all 3 of my makita rails are slightly different in width. Irritating when swapping the saw from one to another as each time the cams need adjustment.

Imho get the 118" track eventually, its worth it.
 
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Thanks for taking the time to give me these links, Nick! Excited to have some fresh reading material!

No problem!

Nick! I hope you had a great Holiday! It has been a bit since I stopped in and you have been busy. Once again, I am so impressed with the way you remember to take pictures. I seem to only remember to take about half of what I should.

That Stanley looks better than new!!

Thanks man! Yes I had a good holiday!

I have rails that were ordered the same day and are slightly different. Actually all 3 of my makita rails are slightly different in width. Irritating when swapping the saw from one to another as each time the cams need adjustment.

Imho get the 118" track eventually, its worth it.

That is disappointing to hear. The cams seem to be a fairly tight fit on both tracks for me, but where they join there is a little "hiccup". I found I had to loosen the cams *slightly* more than normal for it to slide from one track to the second. I think I can get by but I am wishing I had saved up for the 118". I think you are right, over time the extra cost would be worth it not to have to do the setup connecting rails and be stressing about the alignment.
 
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Living Room Built Ins - part 3 - edge banding

Yesterday peaked at 37° F, with a cold front moving in overnight. My edge banding showed up in the mail so I knew I had to take advantage before the temperatures plummeted.

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The cabinets, while I've described them as "built in", will actually have a 1/8-1/4" reveal gap on the sides where they meet the wall and fireplace brick. I wasn't sure if you'd be able to see any of the side edges of the plywood, likely not, but on the off chance you could I decided to edge band the sides as well as the fronts.

Sides go first. This way at the corners the front overlaps the sides and makes the joint less visible.

To hold a large vertical piece like this that's skinner than my bench peg system I just clamp a stretcher support board across:

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Do one side, flip it, then do the other. Before applying the banding, I like to do a quick hand sand of the edge with 220 grit:

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The track saw leaves a pretty smooth edge, but a quick sand makes it super smooth and flat for the banding to adhere to.

After ironing it on I use a piece of hardwood to apply pressure, making sure to "seal" the edges especially as the adhesive cools.

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They make special edge banding irons but I don't have one and prefer to use a standard clothes iron on cotton setting. It heats quickly, and gets very hot. I've never had an issue getting glue on the iron and ruining it, as some articles online would have you believe.

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I did the sides of all pieces first. Once given enough time to cool (10-15 min max during winter!) I do the trimming. I've covered this before but in lieu of a flush trim cutter, a chisel and deadblow hammer work very well to chop off the ends:

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I use a standard "quad trimmer" razor blade apparatus to trim the edges, although I took mine apart and only use one half of it. This is because cutting both sides at once will inevitably result in tear out! In fact I usually switch directions 1 or two times per side, always going with the grain. Stick to the grain direction and it works just fine.

Once all the sides are done I can do the fronts:

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And the smaller bits:

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A few hours and 40+ feet of edge banding later, everything is done. Still have to trim some of the smaller pieces, but you can see the long pieces in back are looking good.

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I have some down time today, but sadly it is now 3° F, which I find too cold to be working outside. Fingies will freeze. Back at it when I can.

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No problem!



Thanks man! Yes I had a good holiday!



That is disappointing to hear. The cams seem to be a fairly tight fit on both tracks for me, but where they join there is a little "hiccup". I found I had to loosen the cams *slightly* more than normal for it to slide from one track to the second. I think I can get by but I am wishing I had saved up for the 118". I think you are right, over time the extra cost would be worth it not to have to do the setup connecting rails and be stressing about the alignment.

Disappointing to hear and irritating to go back and forth.

The 118 seems to (or used to) go on sale regularly through various vendors. Iirc my dad picked one up for $170 shipped. I paid $220 for mine 4 or 5 years ago

The 118 (or 118+55 if you are doing 12' boards) is great for straight line ripping lumber.
 

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Hey Nick, I went back through trying to find the MFT YouTube builds you like and couldn't find it...do you have a link?

I'm in the middle of building a workbench similar to Hooked on Wood's Ultimate Workbench on YouTube (I don't have enough posts on here yet to post a link)

If you haven't already watched his videos, I highly recommend it! I really love watching how Europeans maximize small shop space and this guy has tons of great ideas. I only have 1 side of my small two-car garage and I keep trying to find ways to maximize the layout.

Cheers,
Matt
 
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I really love watching how Europeans maximize small shop space and this guy has tons of great ideas.

Cheers,
Matt

Be careful watching euro woodworking videos. I can squarely blame Timothy Wilmots shop door video for me aquiring 4000lbs of euro shapers in my shop.
 

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...I have some down time today, but sadly it is now 3° F, which I find too cold to be working outside. Fingies will freeze. Back at it when I can.

I can't remember, is your ceiling insulated? If so, it might be time to invest in some heat...

https://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/dy...ater/0000000006924?bc=11434|11695|11700|11703

Mills also has pump kerosene that is cheaper than the $10/gallon stuff they sell on the shelves. 1 gallon of kerosene feeds the heater for ~8 hours, although I rarely ever run it more than 3-4 hours at a time because once it hits ~50F in the garage, I usually shut it off.
 
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Hey Nick, went back through trying to find the MFT YouTube builds you like and couldn't find it...do you have a link?

I'm in the middle of building a workbench similar to Hooked on Wood's Ultimate Workbench on YouTube (I don't enough posts on here yet to post a link)

If you haven't already watched his videos, I highly recommend it! I really love watching how Europeans maximize small shop space and this guy has tons of great ideas. I only have 1 side of my small two-car garage and I keep trying to find ways to maximize the layout.

Cheers,
Matt

Yes, I know it's a lot to dig through :)

The full post was #992

I didn't put links, but I've updated with links below:

1) Tim Wilmots System Workbench
2) Alabama Woodworker (Huy) MO/AT Bench
3) Ron Paulk's various benches - he has too many videos, but you probably already know what this is
4) Paoson Woodworking Multi-Function Workbench
5) Klavieratelier Multi-Functional Workbench - this one is in German, but exceptional, and 4 parts
6) Guy's Woodshop MFT Extension Table

I have seen the Hooked on Wood bench video and his is great as well. It's on the same level of workmanship and design as some of the ones above. I too am fascinated by the ingenuity of theses modern "power tool" workbenches that pack such a big punch in a small space. I'd love to see yours when it's done if you want to share!
 

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Nick- just finished your thread. Amazing work on all accounts. Never started my own thread because I always thought it wouldn’t be “garagey” enough, but after reading yours and MR Robotos and how you’ve incorporated home projects, it might be the motivation to get one going.

Thanks for the journey, you’ve progressed a long way
 
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I can't remember, is your ceiling insulated? If so, it might be time to invest in some heat...

https://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/dy...ater/0000000006924?bc=11434|11695|11700|11703

Mills also has pump kerosene that is cheaper than the $10/gallon stuff they sell on the shelves. 1 gallon of kerosene feeds the heater for ~8 hours, although I rarely ever run it more than 3-4 hours at a time because once it hits ~50F in the garage, I usually shut it off.

That is very intriguing! My "ceiling" is insulated, sort of. I put fiberglass rolls up against the roof. Not exactly proper. Long term I was going to drop it to ceiling level and put up some cladding, but I use that overhead storage space and I never got around to it.

Also, I have a lot of leaks.

Threshold seal can't negotiate cracked slab:

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Sides of overhead door have gaps:

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A rodent or critter chewed through some of the threshold seal:

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Service door is lacking insulation and casing, cracked header (been putting that off for about 4 years!) :lol:

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I really need to put some effort into sealing it up. :eyecrazy:

Does the kerosene heater require ventilation? I used to have a propane tornado heater and ditched it because I got worried about the carbon monoxide risk or having to leave the door open. If not, it looks like an awesome solution since a gas or electric heater is out of the question for me.

Nick- just finished your thread. Amazing work on all accounts. Never started my own thread because I always thought it wouldn’t be “garagey” enough, but after reading yours and MR Robotos and how you’ve incorporated home projects, it might be the motivation to get one going.

Thanks for the journey, you’ve progressed a long way

Wow, I'm impressed if you read the whole thing! And thanks for the kind words! It's actually funny I was starting to try and make a "thread index" this morning and was going through some old posts. Reminded me how much has changed in a few years. :lol:

You should definitely start a thread if you want to. The reason I include the house stuff is for me it's intertwined with the garage stuff. I built benches and jigs and bought tools to make stuff for the house. And I come up with projects for the house so I can use those said tools. And it's not like I go out and drastically change the garage every day, so if I didn't include other content, the thread would simply die. Pretty much every thread I care about on here ventures into other territories at some point. It's my favorite thing about Garage Journal, actually, that it isn't policed to strictly garage content. I think that's brilliant and what makes it such a diverse and interesting community. So, go for it!

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Living Room Built Ins - part 4 - joinery

Despite it being quite cold I sucked it up and went out there for a few hours this afternoon. I have plenty of cold weather gear, but it's the hands that start to hurt. And I will say the absolute worst is handling the Woodpecker's stuff! The aluminum is like holding an ice cube.

For this build I am using my preferred cabinet joinery -- the biscuit and pocket hole double whammy.

The hardest part is figuring out where the biscuits and pocket holes will go (usually alternating). Once I've determined the intervals, I write them down on a piece of paper so I don't forget, and then lay out pencil marks for everything. Once that's done, cutting the biscuits and pocket holes goes rather quickly.

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It's good to do a test on the actual workpiece, right? :lol:

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Everything aligned nicely.

Pocket holes were all done with the new Massca jig. It is fantastic. Took me all of 15min to drill 64 pocket holes. The Kreg K3 got me by for so long but the stationary jig is so much easier and faster I love it. I regret not getting one a long time ago, I should have listened to everyone who told me otherwise!

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Dust collection on both of these tools is epic. Literally no dust in the air or on the ground.

I'm glad I pushed through and got out there today. I'm realizing once again how many steps there are in a project like this and it's good to keep forward momentum.

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Nick, the built-ins are coming along great. I have never tried edge banding.... I've always felt it requires a certain finesse that I think I lack :lol: Maybe someday. You seem to have it down to a science. Definitely making mental note of some of the tricks you use. I hope you're not sneaking out there with your wife's iron!

Kind of a bummer about your tracks not lining up too. I seem to remember you scored your first one for a really great deal that almost seemed like a fluke. Were you as lucky on the second one? Apologies, I may be thinking of another one of your tool purchases as well.

Nick- just finished your thread. Amazing work on all accounts. Never started my own thread because I always thought it wouldn’t be “garagey” enough, but after reading yours and MR Robotos and how you’ve incorporated home projects, it might be the motivation to get one going.

Thanks for the journey, you’ve progressed a long way

I thought I heard my ears ringing haha. Post away! As you have seen, I typically post about whatever it is I am working on at the time. I feel like I have the the regulars stopping in to check things out from time to time, but I post for myself just as much as I do for others. I love to look back at things from time to tome to see what I've been able to accomplish over the years, and it's a great way to keep a project log of sorts if I ever need to refer back to something.

Nick mentioned creating an index, which is also something I always considered doing as well. I think it would give me ADD though, seeing how much I tend to jump around on things hahaha.
 
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Thanks for posting the updates on your projects, the cabinets are looking great. Your parents are lucky to have you around. I'm not a woodworker but your posts push me towards looking around for more wood-based projects. Looking forward to more updates
 

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...I'm not a woodworker but your posts push me towards looking around for more wood-based projects. Looking forward to more updates

I chuckled out loud at this! Have you looked back on your own thread, Mr. build my own nice cabinets with Baltic Birch laminated and precisely trimmed with team colors for an exact fit? ;)

Seriously though, yes on both counts! :beer:
 
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Nick, the built-ins are coming along great. I have never tried edge banding.... I've always felt it requires a certain finesse that I think I lack :lol: Maybe someday. You seem to have it down to a science. Definitely making mental note of some of the tricks you use. I hope you're not sneaking out there with your wife's iron!

Kind of a bummer about your tracks not lining up too. I seem to remember you scored your first one for a really great deal that almost seemed like a fluke. Were you as lucky on the second one? Apologies, I may be thinking of another one of your tool purchases as well.

Thanks! The edge banding definitely requires some finesse. Or rather the trimming portion. I still get minor chip outs from time to time.

I did get my 39" rail that I use on the MFT for about $11 if I recall correctly haha. It was an Amazon fluke. Unfortunately connecting the 55" plus the 39" doesn't let me rip a full 8', so that's why I got another 55". It was normal price, but an Xmas gift from my parents actually. I think my dad must want help building some cabinets or something... :lol:

Casework looks great, Nick! Some tight tolerances there...

Thank you! I've struggled with the biscuit joiner in the past, but I've found it can be pretty accurate if you always reference off the fence, only plunge once, kind of slow and clean and try to hold it nice and steady!

Thanks for posting the updates on your projects, the cabinets are looking great. Your parents are lucky to have you around. I'm not a woodworker but your posts push me towards looking around for more wood-based projects. Looking forward to more updates

Thanks for checking in! So if you're not a woodworker does that mean I can have your Domino since you won't be needing it? :D

I know what you mean though... there are levels and different types of woodworking. I'm not a woodworker in the sense of traditional joinery, hand tools, fine furniture, etc. But... if you ask me, carpentry is still woodworking, and so is something as simple as a picture frame. Considering all the trim work, cabinets, and furniture you've made (like that credenza!), I'm pretty sure you're a woodworker whether you like it or not!

It's funny when it comes to my parents my dad is a huge inspiration to me and probably the reason why I attempt any of this stuff. He's a (retired) architect and has quietly placed an emphasis on design and art throughout my life. He is also old school and has a "why would I pay somebody to do something I could do myself" work ethic. Has done so many home improvement projects including woodworking on our family houses over the years (and is still doing them at 73). When I first got our house and garage and knew next to nothing he showed me the way and helped hang the plywood walls, and do interior doors and trim, and drywall work, etc. He devoted a ton of his weekends to help me get going, really almost the whole first summer. He's gotten rid of some of his power tools over the years to free up space, given others to me along the way, so I happen to be the one with the table saw and whatnot now. But... make no mistake, on the upcoming pantry build he has designed every last detail in AutoCAD and has done all of the planning work. I'm just happy I can return the favor by lending some tools and processes I've picked up in my journey.

I will try to keep the updates coming.

Btw speaking of your credenza build I am using some Orange Aluminum U-channel for the sliding doors. I hope mine turn out half as good.

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Beautiful work on the built-ins. I'm taking notes for sure.

...Does the kerosene heater require ventilation? I used to have a propane tornado heater and ditched it because I got worried about the carbon monoxide risk or having to leave the door open. If not, it looks like an awesome solution since a gas or electric heater is out of the question for me...

I don't blame you for ditching your torpedo heater. I don't trust them after having been gassed out of a garage at least twice from them.

Kerosene, like any combustion heater, does require ventilation. These kerosene heaters are rated at 28k BTU, so it won't heat your space as fast as a 50k+ BTU torpedo would, but they also don't consume air nearly as quickly as bigger heater. My garage door is similar to yours in that there are gaps all around it - I consider those gaps my source of fresh air when running the heater. After I finished my ceiling, I borrowed a CO detector out of the house for the first few runs to be safe. I had no issues at all, nothing even registered on it even after running it for a full 8 hours.

If you do go this route, you'd probably want to suspended a box fan in your rafters to pull the heat back down into the work area. I run a fan on the low setting to help circulate the air - seems to help quite a bit with having even temps around the shop. I wouldn't point the fan at the heater though, I have mine other side of the shop blowing along the south wall at the garage door.

Again, this type of heater is not as powerful as a torpedo. It will take longer to heat up your space, but they are really nice for taking the edge off. On a 15F day, I can get my shop up to 40F within 2-3 hours, which is basically beach going temps for Minnesotans. There are some other safety and maintenance things you'll want to be aware of, but for the sake of not derailing your thread any further, I'll save that info for a PM if you are interested.
 
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Beautiful work on the built-ins. I'm taking notes for sure.

Thanks!

Again, this type of heater is not as powerful as a torpedo. It will take longer to heat up your space, but they are really nice for taking the edge off. On a 15F day, I can get my shop up to 40F within 2-3 hours, which is basically beach going temps for Minnesotans. There are some other safety and maintenance things you'll want to be aware of, but for the sake of not derailing your thread any further, I'll save that info for a PM if you are interested.

40F vs 15F is a massive difference. Yes, I would be interested in a PM with any further info you have. Thanks!
 

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I have one of these in my shop for when it gets too cold for glue ups. Though my garage is attached and doesn't get much below 40 degrees. Its only semi insulated (ceiling and 1.5 of the 4 walls) and still has 2 leaky doors. The large door is just wedged closed with wood against the tracks.

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Living Room Built Ins - part 5 - door slides

I got out there last night. About 14° F. Not the most pleasant. Had a less than stellar day at "work" (home). Wanted to make progress anyways and paid the price a little. Not my best work.

If you'll recall I'm doing sliding bypass doors:

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With materials in hand now I was able to lay out the locations for the door slide channels based on real-world measurements. I still did this in Sketchup because it was easy and fast and I could see how it might affect anything else in the model.

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Confident with a plan I did layout on the actual pieces:

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I debated how to route the channels. At first I thought table saw with stock guides, but then I decided I didn't want the channels to go all the way through the sides. I didn't want wreck the edge banding, joinery, and thought there would be better structural integrity leaving a bit on the ends since these grooves are 1/2" deep. So I used the plunge router and edge guide:

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And honestly this would have been fine except I made three mistakes.

Mistake #1) -- I routed the wrong direction (climb cut). I didn't notice this until the last few passes. Been awhile since I've used the router hand held and just wasn't thinking.

Mistake #2) -- Taking too deep of passes.

The combination of the above two things led to a few whoopsies:

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That ones on a bottom piece, so you might see it, but it's not terrible. I think I'm going to let it be.

And then there's this one:

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Which leads me to Mistake #3) -- I routed the above channel in the wrong piece!!!! That one was supposed to be the top of the taller cabinet, which has an extra cubby above the doors, so it shouldn't have been touched! Super mad at myself about this... I think they will be installed low enough where you won't really be looking up into it even from a seated position, but we'll see. I may have to re-make it and I don't know if I have a good section of ply left. :mad:

A few of these things (like taking lighter passes and routing in the correct direction) I corrected about half way through after my accidents. So, most of it came out ok.

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For kicks I dry assembled the main case so far just to visualize it:

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You can see pocket screws go on the outside which will be concealed by the walls/fireplace:

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The aluminum U-Channel I am using is from Orange Aluminum.

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Anyways it was one of those nights where my headspace wasn't right and I probably should have pressed pause, but I had already dragged all my tools out and was determined to get something done.

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Anyways it was one of those nights where my headspace wasn't right and I probably should have pressed pause, but I had already dragged all my tools out and was determined to get something done.

:willy_nil

Cockups (the British have such a way with words) happen often enough even when you mind its clear. I'm amazed if I get through a project without one.

I actually glued in a raised panel backwards the other day. Didn't notice until it was already clamped and pinned together. Had cut the panel out before the glue set as I couldnt get the door apart at that point.
 

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Those tracks look great as slides. I'm not sure I can thank you for the source as I now see a new place to send copious amounts of time and money to. (Are these what you used?

Thanks for sharing the router story. It's been a while since I've used mine out of the table; because of your story I'll watch a refresher video before I do.

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Kudos for stopping while you’re only (a bit) behind. It has taken me years to get to the point where I stop before I’m bashing my work apart and throwing tools at the wall.

Re: fixing slips:
1. If you can’t see it when installed, you can’t see it.
2. You can layer adhesive backed veneer in place to fill a gap. This is basically marquetry.

Re: heating
I’ve been in a similar spot,trying to glue up dining tables in a forty degree damp barn where the tite bond won’t dry. Secret: hang visquine tarps as if you’re making a spray booth. You’ll trap the warm air. Obviously, you still need to figure out how to add initial heat, but it’s effective.

Keep chugging,
Jake
 

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Nick I can see your bummed but I will be honest I had the same problem this past month when I was using my router. I did a climb cut and it had been so long I just thought the bit was dull. Faceslap.

I do have a rule though that if I am not in absolute peak mindest I don't usually use the power tools. Kinda of like if there is any alcohol in my system (which is very rare) I don't use power tools either. Don't want to be a Bubba. :D


Remember the difference between average and a craftsman is learning to hide your mistakes. Sometimes it can cause you to be very creative.

Even if you know those mistakes are there and no one else does. Eventually you will forget about them.

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Nick, thanks for sharing the story with the mistakes. It’s so tempting to show off our highlight reels so sharing mistakes is what’s so refreshing about your thread and a few others.

I reread a lot of your thread to see evolution of tools and setup since I’m on a similar journey and it’s amazing how far you’ve come in 3 years. It’s not just that you’re making stuff and sharing ideas, but the process, designs and execution is at a high level (and you’re hard on yourself). I was chuckling (in a good way) about first use of the Kreg simple pocket hole jig in 2018. That should show you how fast you’ve advanced.

Thanks for sharing.
 
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Cockups (the British have such a way with words) happen often enough even when you mind its clear. I'm amazed if I get through a project without one.

I actually glued in a raised panel backwards the other day. Didn't notice until it was already clamped and pinned together. Had cut the panel out before the glue set as I couldnt get the door apart at that point.

Thanks for the story, glad it's not just me that makes cockups :D



Those tracks look great as slides. I'm not sure I can thank you for the source as I now see a new place to send copious amounts of time and money to. (Are these what you used?

Thanks for sharing the router story. It's been a while since I've used mine out of the table; because of your story I'll watch a refresher video before I do.

:beer:

We shall see how the tracks work :D

I got the idea from kwyjibo on his MCM credenza build. He used Hafele hardware with them, but I am going to attempt to use some strips of UHMW plastic as the "tabs" to ride in the channels. Mostly just to save a few bucks. This is something I noticed on some sliding doors at Room & Board a few years back. Hopefully I can pull it off.

You are correct on the Orange Aluminum link. The specific extrusion I used was OA7401-6CA with the following dimensions:

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The "1/4" UHMW I got was too snug a fit so I have some figuring out to do there.

Kudos for stopping while you’re only (a bit) behind. It has taken me years to get to the point where I stop before I’m bashing my work apart and throwing tools at the wall.

Re: fixing slips:
1. If you can’t see it when installed, you can’t see it.
2. You can layer adhesive backed veneer in place to fill a gap. This is basically marquetry.

Re: heating
I’ve been in a similar spot,trying to glue up dining tables in a forty degree damp barn where the tite bond won’t dry. Secret: hang visquine tarps as if you’re making a spray booth. You’ll trap the warm air. Obviously, you still need to figure out how to add initial heat, but it’s effective.

Keep chugging,
Jake

Thanks, Jake. The smaller mistake is not very noticeable, although I might try glueing a "thin strip" in like you said and re-routing that section. The larger one, I think I have a plan for that. I cut the tops extra deep to leave room to scribe them to the wall, so I might flip that top around, and trim off the channel I accidentally routed. It will leave me barely any room to scribe and my biscuits will be in the wrong spot, but I'm often on the floor playing with my kid and I know if I look up into the cabinet and see a big groove and "slip" where there shouldn't be, it will bother me.

Nick I can see your bummed but I will be honest I had the same problem this past month when I was using my router. I did a climb cut and it had been so long I just thought the bit was dull. Faceslap.

I do have a rule though that if I am not in absolute peak mindest I don't usually use the power tools. Kinda of like if there is any alcohol in my system (which is very rare) I don't use power tools either. Don't want to be a Bubba. :D


Remember the difference between average and a craftsman is learning to hide your mistakes. Sometimes it can cause you to be very creative.

Even if you know those mistakes are there and no one else does. Eventually you will forget about them.

Bret

Thanks, Bret. Yes I was frustrated but it happens. As mentioned above I have an idea of how to proceed and it doesn't ruin the project. More just disappointed I screwed up... as I'm sure you know the feeling after all the steps that precede an error... planning, sketchups, getting materials, all the cuts that came before it, and to be honest even building the work bench to allow me to do this sort of project. Shop projects aren't as critical to me but since this is for the house and on display I really wanted to make it my best possible work.

I took your advice last night. I went out there again, moved the cars, dragged the benches out, starting planning some cuts. I realized again I was just determined to get something done but didn't really "want" to be working on it. So I packed everything back up and watched The Mandalorian instead. It was a better choice.

Nick, thanks for sharing the story with the mistakes. It’s so tempting to show off our highlight reels so sharing mistakes is what’s so refreshing about your thread and a few others.

I reread a lot of your thread to see evolution of tools and setup since I’m on a similar journey and it’s amazing how far you’ve come in 3 years. It’s not just that you’re making stuff and sharing ideas, but the process, designs and execution is at a high level (and you’re hard on yourself). I was chuckling (in a good way) about first use of the Kreg simple pocket hole jig in 2018. That should show you how fast you’ve advanced.

Thanks for sharing.

I think there's a LOT of truth in what you say about people presenting their best self online. Whether it's social media, YouTube, or even on forums like this. I definitely don't show most of my mistakes (or otherwise my posts would be twice as long :lol:), but they are there. I like to learn and better myself on each project, and I think especially in a forum like this, sharing mistakes is an opportunity to learn from people who know more than you and are more experienced. And not just me, hopefully others on here can learn either from my mistakes or from what someone else has to say about them.

I was looking at old posts recently too, and I'll admit it did surprise me. It's easy to forget where you started, and forget to appreciate past progress vs. where you want to be. I'll try to be more mindful of that, and I appreciate the encouragement and kind words.


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At the end of the day this is a hobby and should be fun, so I am going to wait until I feel like jumping back in! Which hopefully should be soon.

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Nice work on the built ins! They are going to look great.

We all make those mistakes and it makes us better in the long run. I have been learning how to use a router for the past month. In fact I have the same model Dewalt router and Bosch edge guide. The thing that really sticks out to me is that wood is harder for me to fix then metal. When I screw up with metal I can just grab the welder. With wood, I am still learning how to fix and hide mistakes.
 
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I took your advice last night. I went out there again, moved the cars, dragged the benches out, starting planning some cuts. I realized again I was just determined to get something done but didn't really "want" to be working on it. So I packed everything back up and watched The Mandalorian instead. It was a better choice.

That is a great choice no matter the situation. :bounce:

Bret
 

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I walk away from the garage from time to time. Sometimes its frustration. Sometimes I just don't feel like working in there. I think you got the right attitude about it: not fun? don't do it. We have that luxury because it is a hobby. I usually can't stay away for more than a few days before I get the urge to build something. Maybe that means I'm turning into a woodworker!

btw, I picked up those Hafele rollers for close to $4 each. I just searched "Hafele 404.20.139" and it looks like you can get them for less than $3
 
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Nice work on the built ins! They are going to look great.

We all make those mistakes and it makes us better in the long run. I have been learning how to use a router for the past month. In fact I have the same model Dewalt router and Bosch edge guide. The thing that really sticks out to me is that wood is harder for me to fix then metal. When I screw up with metal I can just grab the welder. With wood, I am still learning how to fix and hide mistakes.

Thanks, I appreciate it! For what it's worth I've been pretty happy with the DeWalt router. The Bosch edge guide serves it's purpose especially for the price I guess, but I find the accuracy of the micro adjust to be mediocre. Other than that can't complain.

That is a great choice no matter the situation. :bounce:

Bret

Agreed, I'm a little late to the party but it's so good.

I walk away from the garage from time to time. Sometimes its frustration. Sometimes I just don't feel like working in there. I think you got the right attitude about it: not fun? don't do it. We have that luxury because it is a hobby. I usually can't stay away for more than a few days before I get the urge to build something. Maybe that means I'm turning into a woodworker!

btw, I picked up those Hafele rollers for close to $4 each. I just searched "Hafele 404.20.139" and it looks like you can get them for less than $3

Very true on the hobby thing. A lot of times I feel against the clock to get something done, balancing it with the kid and work, but you're right, none of the stuff I'm doing is on a strict timetable.

I think on the Hafele rollers that's a bit better than I was finding, but with 4 doors, even at $4 a pop that's about $64... plus shipping and tax if applicable. The original thought was to save a bit where I can since overall it's a somewhat expensive build. I'd actually still consider going with these though, except I think where I've routed the grooves now for the aluminum channels is not where they should be for these rollers, and the channels I got are too wide for the Hafele tabs. Maybe next time. Hopefully I don't regret going the route I did.

Loving those tracks as sliders...you're taking things up a notch with all the case work!

Thanks Dennis! I don't know that the aluminum channel is necessary, but I like the look and it should protect against wear, long term.
 
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