Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

[Oldtuleguy]

I would say so.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Some 5776 magneto pliers that popped up in a tool lot. No pics in catalogs but I've been told they are listed in 33 catalog.

Heck of a find. Small and often overlooked but those pliers are not easy to get.

 

[genog]

A Seller selling Brand New tools had this really cool BE ratchet in his Craftsman bin

I don't know why I stopped to see what he had for sale....
...mostly new shiny stuff, for which I have zero interest

 

[Outlawmws]

nice find!

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Heck of a find. Small and often overlooked but those pliers are not easy to get.

Yes I have been looking for years and they just showed up

 

[Outlawmws]

Deleted - Wrong thread

 

[Mintgrun]

I brought home a couple more long-C screwdrivers yesterday, along with a wavy logo framing square. The fifteen incher is the longest one I've found. It had a lot more paint on it, but I chipped most of it off. Based on the condition of the tip, it's had a lot of odd jobs in its lifetime.



The square has two patent dates on it, so I looked those up. One from 1900 and the other from 1914.

US Patent: 651,057 - Steel Square

US patent 651,057 Steel Square was issued to Artemas Roberts of Normal, NE. It was granted on 06/05/1900. Table gives lengths of rafters having a defined pitch and a given horizontal run. {br}Patent date seen marked on a Sargent & Co square and Henry B. S

www.datamp.org

US Patent: 1,102,689 - Framing Square

US patent 1,102,689 Framing Square was issued to Henry B. Sargent of New Haven, CT. It was granted on 07/07/1914. Patent is for the graduation and table arrangement. References that one of the arrangements is the same as Roberts Patent No. {651,057}. {br} {br}Pat

www.datamp.org

It's in pretty good shape for its age, which may be due to the fact that it's copper plated. I keep an eye out for squares that taper in thickness, because that detail is used on the nicer examples. The thick part at the corner measures .165" and the end of the long leg is .080"; putting the strength where it's needed and saving weight where it's not.



I try to be fussy about which framing squares I bring home because they're adding up, but I did not hesitate to buy this on. I get a kick out of that logo.

Tom

 

[Outlawmws]

Great finds Tom! I like the square with the early logo!

 

[d42jeep]

Here are the lineman’s pliers I found at an estate sale yesterday. It seems that a previous owner wanted to use it to strip a particular size of wire.
-Don

 

[stormking]

Found this little 2oz ball pein at an estate sale this morning. No maker mark or weight so guessing on the size, but consistent with others I have of that size. Love the little hammers. I think this one is late 30's early 40's?

 

[TexTJ209]

Here are the lineman’s pliers I found at an estate sale yesterday. It seems that a previous owner wanted to use it to strip a particular size of wire.
-Don

Either that or he tried to cut a live wire lol. I've got a set that look like that for the same reason.

 

[RTM]

Either that or he tried to cut a live wire lol. I've got a set that look like that for the same reason.

I have dad’s, and a second pair of end nippers, with a hole in the same spot from cutting a hot wire.

 

[Outlawmws]

Done it myself once on a hall light - I thought the off switch was up stream; it was down...

 

[four.cycle]

BRZZZZT!

 

[Outlawmws]

Makes a heck of a pop for sure

 

[Smokeshow69]

Found this little 2oz ball pein at an estate sale this morning. No maker mark or weight so guessing on the size, but consistent with others I have of that size. Love the little hammers. I think this one is late 30's early 40's?

Yup, nice find! That is late 30's/ 40's as you suspected.

 

[d42jeep]

Either that or he tried to cut a live wire lol. I've got a set that look like that for the same reason.

I have dad’s, and a second pair of end nippers, with a hole in the same spot from cutting a hot wire.

Done it myself once on a hall light - I thought the off switch was up stream; it was down...

BRZZZZT!

It seems like a consensus has been reached.
-Don

 

[Smokeshow69]

Back in the old times before multi function pliers became a thing, it was common practice for electricians to modify their pliers like this. They made their own multi tool. Don’s visual demonstration is pretty funny!

 

[Old Radar]

it was common practice for electricians to modify their pliers like this. They made their own multi tool.

You mean it was common practice for electricians to use their "Oops modified" pliers as a multi tool...

 

[bmwrd0]

When I was with the phone company, we were issued Klein snips with a notch in the blade to strip wire.

Now, the phone system is 47VDC, so not as big a deal, but still, not something you want to fool around with, and you cannot switch it off, that is done a few miles away.

 

[d42jeep]

Found these Utica Bell system dykes today with an original notch and maybe some smaller ones towards the tip.
-Don

 

[Mintgrun]

This is kind of a fun comparison of 16 oz hammer head shapes. The two ripping hammers were recent purchases. I knocked the wedges out of the handles and was able to remove them, to clean up the heads. They're pretty dinged up, but I sent them through the electrolysis process and did a little filing to smooth up the edges and high spots.



Technically, not long-C logos, but two have geometric Cs and the third is in an Oval.



The one on the left says Reg US Pat Off under the logo. I just learned that refers to a registered trademark ®. The one in the middle is illegible, due to damage, but appears to end in "AM". Any ideas what the missing letters might be? The Craftsman Vanadium head is the least beat up of the three.

I've got a couple others with handles that I use regularly. The shape of those fit in between #2 and #3. If you pluck the claw with your thumbnail, it'll ring like a bell.

 

[outofbounds]

Second BF Hacksaw that I’ve found in a years time. This one was picked up off of a driveway at a garage sale where it was one of only two tools total for sale. This and a 70s True Temper hammer covered in paint. Go figure.

 

[Old Radar]

Nice! But now I'm confused.
Long C coasted to an end around the end of the '40s. According to the consensus here on GJ, BF was most likely a Japanese source first appearing about 1969. Is it possible yours is a BE that didn't take the stamping accurately?
I checked my own amber handled hacksaw and noted two things:
The inner bracing of the two handles and the shape of both the plastic and the saw hand-hole are quite different.
My saw has a "BB" stamp (definitely not BE) that I cannot find on @lauver's Craftsman Hand Tool Manufacturers & Date Ranges.

 

[RTM]

My saw has a "BB" stamp (definitely not BE) that I cannot find

The BB is rumored to be Millers Falls in other tool genre

And elsewhere we thought that the BF looked like an Atkins #10, this point and following for several posts to #3628 & 3631 on Atkins and MF respectively

Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

That one is a countersink.

www.garagejournal.com

 

[Old Radar]

Thanks for the reminder, RTM!

 

[TexTJ209]

Thanks for the reminder, RTM!

RTM covered it well for this particular saw, but Long C also existed well into the late 50s on a variety of items.

 

[RTM]

RTM covered it well for this particular saw, but Long C also existed well into the late 50s on a variety of items.

I hate to sound dense, but what's your point? I'm not saying the table is wrong, just incomplete

In searching I do see the BF on screwdrivers here. (Oops, that's your post) I'm not enough of an expert there to say whose they look like, but it follows the table. I've kept a copy of the Codes, and updated as shown in yellow. Guess I should add Fuller before KTC?

This wrench however, does not seem logical as Atkins. Anyone suggest a maker? And if it is BE, who is that? And even tho BE is suggested, why does it not come up in a search, too common a word?



Just playing catch up.

 

[d42jeep]

My BB and BF hacksaws.
-Don
First the BB and a close Millers Falls relative.

BF (top) and BB hacksaws together. Close cousin Atkins #10 to the BF hacksaw.

 

[Outlawmws]

Regardless of the letters, Great find OoB! You ****!

 

[The Bean]

 

[genog]

One of the Nice Guy Collectors that I see occasionally at sales, etc. had this cool Craftsman set for sale
For the most part, he collects anvils, vises....

He said an old guy owed him some money for some knives, so he took in this set on trade
I'm glad he called me
All Circle H except the Speeder

 

[TexTJ209]

I hate to sound dense, but what's your point? I'm not saying the table is wrong, just incomplete

In searching I do see the BF on screwdrivers here. (Oops, that's your post) I'm not enough of an expert there to say whose they look like, but it follows the table. I've kept a copy of the Codes, and updated as shown in yellow. Guess I should add Fuller before KTC?

This wrench however, does not seem logical as Atkins. Anyone suggest a maker? And if it is BE, who is that? And even tho BE is suggested, why does it not come up in a search, too common a word?



Just playing catch up.

I was replying to Old Radar's statement about Long C winding to an end in the 40s. I believe there were more than just hacksaws marked with the BF (Atkins era) marking, but it's hard to search for examples with the Japanese made BF stuff fouling the search results.

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

I had a good day at a local swap meet today. Here are a few Craftsman ratchets I bought. I really only was interested in the 1/4" circle H open frame and the circle U rats. The seller wanted to keep them all together as a lot for $20 so I got the flying V 3/8" too. Haven't cleaned them up yet but they all work, even the detent balls will hold a socket. This is the first circle H open frame ratchet I've found. Ed.

 

[Smokeshow69]

I had a good day at a local swap meet today. Here are a few Craftsman ratchets I bought. I really only was interested in the 1/4" circle H open frame and the circle U rats. The seller wanted to keep them all together as a lot for $20 so I got the flying V 3/8" too. Haven't cleaned them up yet but they all work, even the detent balls will hold a socket. This is the first circle H open frame ratchet I've found. Ed.

For $20 that’s a **** worthy haul! Any of those could be sold for $20 each!

 

[Outlawmws]

Nice score ORC!

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Bc code punch

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

Bc code punch

What is the code? I am just trying to catch up. Thanks.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Bc was vlchek I believe

 

[3baygarage]

With Western Forge founded in 1965, it couldn’t have been them as the logo is older. Later squarish chrome punches bear the WF stamp. I’ve wondered was Vlchek the maker, their punches looked very similar. Did they even make their own? Of course there are similar looking ones in other brands.