DRAFT "Stickie" for Vintage Forum

Private Lugnutz · Oct 24, 2019

As the title implies, I have created a DRAFT “Stickie.”

This comes up all the time, many guys have suggested it, and I’ve been hinting around about this for awhile now and finally got around to getting it close to finished.

I plan to send it to one of the mods for their review.

Before I do that, though, I am offering it up for everyone’s review. I have no more or less authority than anyone else here. It’s my idea, I think we need one, and I think it’s the right thing to do, but I don’t want to dictate something that we don’t have broad consensus on, edit: especially from those who are the most active regulars on this board. There may be a few naysayers. I can live with that. But I don’t want go forward if it’s widely panned as unnecessary or wrong-headed.

Also, I am open to comments, suggestions, things I may have missed, other ideas, etc. I think it’s pretty good, and as you will see, the plan is to be able to modify it as needed, so it doesn’t have to be perfect.

But let me know what you think, and if most members like the idea, I will get it into ship shape and then float it by the mods.

Wait until I’m done posting (many sections…!) before you reply.

Private Lugnutz · Oct 24, 2019

Sticky: Index of Threads (A-Z), FAQ, Helpful Hints, and Handy Links

Welcome to the GJ Vintage Tool Discussion forum, one of the most comprehensive sites on the web for vintage hand tools, information, and history. Please take a few minutes to go through this ReadMe to help make your participation here more enjoyable for yourself and other participants.

Private Lugnutz · Oct 24, 2019

THE INDEX

Because this is a forum-based site, it is arranged chronologically – from the newest to the oldest conversations, not encyclopedically. Consequently, it’s not very conducive for navigating by topic. Longtime members often forget about older threads and newcomers don’t even know they’re there, buried somewhere back on Page 53. Here, therefore, is an INDEX of Vintage Discussion threads, regardless of which page they are currently on.

Threads categorized by TYPE OF HAND TOOL

Adjustable wrenches
Auto kit type wrenches
Automobile Mfgrs’s marked tools
Automobile Paraphernalia
Axes
Cabinets, metal
Cabinets, wood
Chopped!
Combination wrenches
Cordless drills
Creepers
Double Box End (DBE) wrenches
Double Open End (DOE) wrenches
Drill bit indices
Ell (or L) Handles
Flex-head speeders
Goggles, shop glasses, etc
Hacksaws
Hammertime!
Hand trucks
Hollow handle multi-bit tools
Klein
Knives
Machinists' Signage
Midget Drive (1/4- and 9/32-inch drive)
Oddfellows (nonstandard adjustables)
Oilers (stranded in General Tool Discussion)
Pipe wrenches
Planes (Hand)
Refrigeration
Ratchets only
Ratchet Repair
Screwballs
Screw starters
Speeders/Speed wrenches only
Spiral ratcheting screwdrivers
Tap & Die
Tape measures (and rules)
Tiny (miniature) tools
Toolboxes, General (all types – carry, rollers, mid, top, and machinists)
Tune-Up Cabinets
Utility knives
Vises (this is the so-called MegaThread in the General Tool Discussion)
Vise-Grips (and non-Petersens)
Vise history
Vise repair & mfgrs A-Z list (Bench)
Vise repair & mfgrs A-Z list (Blacksmith, leg, post type only)
Worklights, lamps, for shop

Threads categorized by OEM and/or BRAND OF HAND TOOL

// A.PLOMB to Gray //

A. PLOMB: (See Plomb)
Armstrong
Barcalo-Buffalo
Bell System Tools
Bethlehem Spark Plug Company (“Quickway”)
Blackhawk
Billings & Spencer
Billmont (Edgar C. Guthard)
Blue-Points/Blue-Point (or See Snap-on)
B.M.C.
Bog
Bonney
Braunsdorf-Mueller 1, 2, and 3
Bridgeport Hardware & Manufacturing (BHM)
Britool (Made in England)
Buckeye
Buffum1 and 2
California Tool: (See Plomb)
CAM-LOC (all Mfgrs) wrenches
Caterpillar 1 and 2
Champion DeArment (Channellock)
Chapman
Charles Miller 1[/url] and 2
Cornwell
Craftsman Long C (1920’s to 1948)
Craftsman “Crowntop” (late 1950’s) 1 and 2
Craftsman Heritage (1948 to mid 1950's)
Craftsman Toolboxes (all, general)
Craftsman Red/Gray (60’s/70’s) Toolboxes
Crescent
Dunlap
Duro-Chrome and Indestro
Eifel-jawed plierenches
Enderes
ETF St Catherines (Canada)
Fairmount
“Forged Steel”
Filson
Firestone
Garringtons (England)
Goodell Brothers, Goodell-Pratt
Gray (Canada) 1 and 2
Greene & Tweed

// Hallowell to PEXTO //

Hallowell (Standard Pressed Steel)
Heller (and other) Masterrench
Herbrand
Hinsdale
HOL-SET 1 and 2
JC Penny
JO Mfg
J.P. Danielson
KEEN KUTTER
Keystone
Kilborn & Bishop
King **** (England)
K-D (Kulp & Dellinger)
Kraeuter
K.R. Wilson
Leetonia
Lectrolite
Lowell
Lufkin
MAC
Mephisto
Millers Falls
Milwaukee Tool & Forge
Montgomery Ward (See Ward)
Mossberg – Coming Soon*
NASA (not the space agency)
Neff Adjust-a-Box
New Britain - General (includes NONE BETTER and post mid-1930’s Husky)
New Britain - Spiegel Precision-Bilt
OTC (Owatonna Tool Corp)
Oxwall
Packer Auto (“RAY”) 1 and 2
Park Metalware (Early Xcel, etc)
Park Metalware (Xcelite)
Peck, Stowe, and Wilcox (PEXTO)

// P&C to ZIM //

P&C
Plomb - Main
Plomb - Lawsuit Research
Plomb - Pebble Timeline
Plomb - WF Sears connection?
Plomb - War Finish dates
Powr-Kraft
Porter, H.K.
Presssteel (toolboxes)
Proto
Ridge - RIDGID Pipe Wrench Dating
R.T.E.C.
Schollhorn (Bernard)
S-K- Main
S-K- Contract Production
Smith, H.D. (“Perfect Handle”)
Smith & Hemenway (RED DEVIL)
Snap-on (including Blue-Point)
Snap-on Taco Boxes
Snap-on Par-X
SPEEDNUT wrenches (Cochran, Others)
[S.R.]
Starrett
Sun Electric
Syracuse Wrench 1 and 2
Thorsen
Truth
Tuffy
Utica Drop Forge & Tool
Vanadium Tool Company
Vaughn & Bushnell 1 and 2
Vlchek 1 and 2
Wakefield
Ward’s (Montgomery Ward), Speedmaster, etc 1 and 2
Ward’s – Powr-Kraft
Walden-Worcester 1 and 2
Waldes-Truarc
Williams, J.H.
Wilton (Vise Dating Only)
Winchester
Wizard (and all Western Auto)
Wright Tool & Forge
X-Acto
ZIM 1 and 2

Private Lugnutz · Oct 24, 2019

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Private Lugnutz · Oct 24, 2019

Government stock numbers
- Any marking that looks like this (41-S-1076, 38-B-3345, 13-O-1530, etc), sometimes with a prefix (e.g., N41-S-1076), is a phonetic Federal Standard Stock Catalog number, often called the first Federal Stock Number, and it dates from 1934 to 1952. Administered by the Treasury Dept.- Any marking with a "DA" or some other prefix or no prefix and an 11-digit number (in groups separated by hyphens, don't count the hyphens, e.g., 5180-698-7964) is a Federal Stock Number (FSN) dating from 1953 to 1961. - Any marking with a "DSA" and an 11-digit FSN is from 1962 to 1974. - Any marking with a "DSA" and a 13-digit FSN, adding "00" into the old FSN for a COO code placeholder, is from 1974 to 1977. - Any marking with or without a "DLA" (Defense Logistics Agency) and a 13-digit NSN (and much more likely to actual have country codes (NATO, very contemporary, not vintage) is from 1978 on.

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Threads categorized by OTHER FREQUENT GJ VINTAGE TOOL DISCUSSION OPICS

Cleaning and De-Rusting General Procedures, Options (vinegar, acids, ultrasonic, etc), Pros, Cons, etc

rust removal

I have a Parker No.8 vise that was left outside for years and is now froze. I bought a bunch of vinegar on clearance at HD for $.90 a gallon. I'm thinking putting the vise in a pail covered in vinegar and setting aside for a month or two. Any chance of this damaging the vise, freeing up the...

www.garagejournal.com

Private Lugnutz · Oct 24, 2019

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RTM · Oct 24, 2019

Wow, nice start. Covered most of my hot buttons of categorization. A few notes, which are not in any great order.

It seems like the "vise repair" thread has similar topics in the "vintage ratchets", so a separate cross list of repair threads may not be needed, which another forum I am on has: (Mods & Repairs) Maybe under your "What is This" section, a hint or two on how to track down a How do I Repair This thread, go to the appropriate Tool Types thread first, rather than starting a new thread on pulling the main screw.

When you post the thread links (posts 8-12), maybe shorten them down (tinyurl), or bury them as hyperlinks to keep the main thread's format more readable.

Under the searching the Internet section, this is another great search string, which eliminates when someone on another site mentions a great thread on GJ, brings back only GJ results.

site:garagejournal.com vlchek

Nice work

mike93lx · Oct 24, 2019

Way too long, IMO. People already don't read stickies...that won't help. At minimum, you need a TL;DR at the top

Private Lugnutz · Oct 24, 2019

Thanks for the input, guys.

JoCoSawdust · Oct 24, 2019

I like it. Of course as with any stickies it's only as effective as the willingness of people to read it. I've already bookmarked this page and will use it in lieu of the search engine (which I find horrible here). The OWWM site uses stickies and the members are pretty adamant about referring people to it when they ask questions that can be answered by the stickies. This is a very nice crowd here in the Vintage Tools section but if we continually answer questions that can easily found in the stickies....people won't use the stickies. I hate asking questions and it's always a last resort after trying to find the information myself. Some others aren't that way. My biggest peeve is the one or two post folks with the "what's this" immediately followed by "what's it worth". Sometimes I think we drive up the cost of our beloved hobby. I absolutely LOVE uninformed sellers. Anyhow...I'm a windbag so I'll shut up. Thanks for all the work you put into compiling this Lugz. I know I'll use it, stickies or not, and so will many others.

woody 73 · Oct 24, 2019

I like the idea of the sticky...

What I dislike is the speed of how fast the posts are moving, some guys and gals are showing some super cool vintage tools that in itself would make for some killer stories but...(always a but) they are gone in just a few hours and that is a shame.

I get it some people are tired of a few of us telling stories; I hear you but (always a but) I am still waiting for other GJ members to tell their own stories. It would seem that a handful are the only ones on the GJ telling stories and I have been waiting 10 years for other GJ members to start their own stories.

I get it pictures are what everyone loves, but after seeing 10,000 block grinders and 20,000 vises it gets kind of old, (my opinion only).

I get it show me your cannons, your "UNOBTAINIUM", what is it worth, what the GJ makes me buy, etc. all good posts but darn they speed up the posts even faster would they not be better posted in the general tool section?

Private I so owe Twertsy a tool story, but if you want give me a little time and I can work on a Utica story for you guy/gals, seeing how I have a lot of their tools.

Good job private as always I enjoy your posts.... :thumbup:

Stuart in MN · Oct 25, 2019

Thanks for putting all the work into this, I think it's a great idea.

One suggestion...where you said

Private Lugnutz said:
FAQ

Can I sell tools here?

No. Absolutely not. Sales and links to sales of your own tools on eBay, CL, etc, are forbidden. This is a Discussion board. There is a Classifieds area for selling tools on GJ.

It kind of sounds like you're telling people to go to a whole different website. I'd change the text a little to say something like this:

FAQ

Can I sell tools here?

Not in this section of the Garage Journal, but sales and links to sales of your own tools on eBay, CL, etc, are allowed in the Classified section of the board. Go to the main page and then scroll down, or click on this link to go there directly: Classifieds

d42jeep · Oct 25, 2019

Lugz,
I appreciate the amount of work you've put into the Stickie. It would save me a lot of time navigating around the site. I think that you should submit it now to the moderators and if necessary, edit it later. Great job!
-Don

twertsy · Oct 25, 2019

mike93lx said:
Way too long, IMO. People already don't read stickies...that won't help. At minimum, you need a TL;DR at the top

Greg,
I agree with this comment. Basically, I'd simply have an "index" in the first post with Topic Links to subsequent posts below.

Private Lugnutz · Oct 25, 2019

JoCo, Woody, and Don,

Thanks!

Stuart,

I agree. I will make that change.

Todd,

Thanks. I knew the Index would be the most popular part of this. But the Index isn't exhaustive and frankly, it won't by itself solve some of the other "hot buttons" that I talk about in the ReadMe, which others have alluded to in reply, and which many other regulars complain about on a regular basis here all the time. I wouldn't even bother submitting a "stickie" if it didn't include a No Sales warning, the plea to Search before posting, and the Tutorials on how to do that. Hopefully that will convince new and old members alike to realize, 'We probably have a thread on that topic already!'

With respect to the links to other hand tool collecting sites, other helpful hints and quickie collectors' guide I developed, there are times it would eliminate half the threads on page 1.

As for the How to Post Photos tutorial, unless you scroll down to the Q&A section, and find someone asking the same danged question, you can't find one in a centralized place here. Not a day goes by that someone doesn't ask how to do it.

I get short and sweet, and I will try to abbreviate it. But it being too long to read can't be worse than it not being there at all to read, which is what we have right now. If those other parts in addition to the Index help even a little it'd be a good thing. If not, they certainly don't hurt anything just sitting up there. But they can't help if they're not there at all.

EDIT: I couldn't resist a TA plug. It gives me comfort thinking of it as sitting on a lukewarm backburner rather than cold storage. :lol:

Private Lugnutz · Oct 25, 2019

All,

After thinking about it further, I now have what I think is the best version. It moves the Index to the very top and everything else (FAQ, Helpful Hints, etc), which has been significantly reduced, follows the Index. Once I clean that up and reduce all the visible URL links to hyperlinked threads titles, I will post a new thread without the "DRAFT" in the title so the mods can just turn it into a permanent "Stickie". Don't reply to that one. You can continue to reply here. Probably not until next week, though. I have a busy weekend.

RTM · Oct 25, 2019

Another note: where you said "For research purposes, if you use ‘Google Books’ instead..."

Another benefit of using Books is you can limit the date range results, which lets you find the original version of Buffalo Tools, instead of the present stores in Buffalo which sell tools. ie end date of 1920.

The EAIA Directory of American Toolmakers (DAT) is another great history resource, tho I keep pushing for updates and a digital version.

Rick B. · Oct 25, 2019

What is that, 23/24 stickies? That's a LOT of stickies. Simple is usually better. Sometimes change is only the illusion of progress. I'm just sayin'.

Private Lugnutz · Oct 25, 2019

Good stuff, RTM. I will incorporate that. Already incorporated your first tip.

Rikki,
It will be just one (1) stickie thread, and I have it down to four or so posts under that. One for the Index, and then 2 or 3 for the rest. If you look at the existing stickies on other GJ forums, there are more than a few that are several posts long. But I appreciate your caution.

DadsTools · Oct 25, 2019

Remarkable work, Lugz. It's easy to see how something like this could be of great value.

Private Lugnutz · Oct 26, 2019

Thanks. As Don and JoCo alluded to, I've already used the Index myself and it's not even "official" yet. I think in my first couple years here I was only subscribed to a dozen or so threads. That was manageable. As my interests grew, so did the site, and now I have 3 or 4 pages of subscriptions. Just like the regular pages, they are not alphabetical, they are chronological. The Index is much faster!

dadsEH · Oct 26, 2019

Who pays for all this bandwidth?

Private Lugnutz · Oct 26, 2019

The same people who pay for all the threads about Craftsman Drill Presses (last count, 137!), Hardware Store complaints (too many to count!), Harbor Freight Pros and Cons (not crazy or insipid enough to even try to count!), Mac & Cheese, Baby Pics, WTF Pics, V8 Supercars, and all those timeless, indispensable questions like what kind of coating to use on non-painted vises and whether to use 10mm semi-deep or deep sockets for car repair.

Oh, and stickies save bandwidth.

RubiconJK · Oct 26, 2019

Lugz, I'm just seeing this but really like it even though it is long. What you've put together for anyone willing to use it, is a user's guide for not only the forum, but also for collecting and research in general. Thanks for taking the initiative on this and for the hard work. I can't think of a thing to suggest but will check your catalog links to see if I have any additional suggestions to send you later.

Old Radar · Oct 26, 2019

Private Lugnutz said:
...I've already used the Index myself and it's not even "official" yet.

Me too! Thanks for all your detailed work!

Private Lugnutz · Oct 26, 2019

Thanks, guys, and you're welcome. It's been a long time coming. I think we may be the only forum on GJ without a stickie, and yet, in my opinion, the forum that needs one the most. I wish I wasn't busy this weekend. But I plan to post the new and improved (and much shorter!) version on Monday and then immediately ask the mod NUTTSGT to Stickie it.

I'm out. Play nice!

leg17 · Oct 27, 2019

Thanks Lugs for the effort.
We really appreciate it.

AustinChamp · Oct 27, 2019

Think this is a great idea , well done for putting it together

Private Lugnutz · Oct 28, 2019

Thanks leg and AustinChamp!

All,

I just posted the new and improved version in response to all the suggestions and constructive crit I got. I am going to ask NUTTSGT to make that permanent.

Use this thread for continued comments and suggestions... OEMs I missed. Other links, etc.

lardy1 · Oct 28, 2019

Thank you for all your effort.

NUTTSGT · Oct 28, 2019

I've made the other thread a Stickie and have closed it. If any additional information is needed needed, have Lugz PM me and I can move it to the Stickie.

Private Lugnutz · Oct 28, 2019

Thank you, Sir!

jeffmoss26 · Oct 28, 2019

Great info!!

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